Werewolf: Round 4

Quantumvm wrote:Guess I'll jump on the bandwagon with what little evidence Jman has proposed. deviant has my vote.

What evidence? Deviant was online at night? That's it? You're willingly jumping on a bandwagon whose wheels are moved by nothing but vague conjecture?

The fact of the matter is, we can't afford to lose another villager, and considering the evidence against each and every poster in this forum, chaosfaction's repeated aggressiveness in accusations, as well as his defense of the wolf Orange08 make him a much more likely suspect than someone who was simply online at night.

I just want to remind my fellow villagers of the fact that just because someone wasn't noticed at any point during the night cycle, doesn't mean that they are not a wolf. Anyone can keep your identity hidden when logging on at any time (a tactic any smart wolf would want to use), or a wolf may have simply slipped onto the forum to send in heir vote without being noticed by our ever vigilant vanguard, Jman. There's just too many variables here, and I dont see how being online at night is stronger evidence than defending a wolf and attacking fellow villagers.

Just as an aside, I'm really quite shocked at how divided we are as villagers *cough* Jman and Slade *cough cough*.

The absolute last thing we need as villagers is meaningless, pedantic bickering that descends into personal attacks and name-calling. Grow up, guys.

jakobs98 wrote:Voting for Deviant due to lack of thinking and time to analyze the situation properly. Wish I had more time >.<

Edit: I think Cristopher Paolini might be a wolf...

This is a villager's life! Think for just one second: which sounds more suspect?

1. someone who was simply logged on during the night cycle

OR

2. someone who has repeatedly tried to launch bandwagons against fellow villagers, and voted to execute buzzlightyear (a common villager) the first day, and then going out of his way to defend Orange08 (a werewolf) the second day.

Of course, in this case the 1st someone corresponds to Deviant, and the 2nd someone corresponds to our friend chaosfaction. Granted, the evidence against both is very shaky, but desperate times call for desperate measures, and in this case it seems the most sensible solution would be to lynch the most suspicious villager.

Gah! ill never live that down. buzzlightyear sorta had to happen I was part of it because i feared I be hanged without proper evidence. I am agressive because its fun to play that way and i dont have much better things to do during the day. And orange I legitamitley believed wasn't a wolf and now everyone seems to act like it was obvious at the time that orange was a wolf and they didnt vote for him because they didnt want to die themselves. so go ahead and lynch me for not being part of the mobocracy.

lol the game started?

can't be sure right now, but chaosfaction seems to be more suspicious than deviant.

sorry chaos, i understand that orange wasn't so obvious but deviant seems more innocent

chaosfaction wrote:Gah! ill never live that down. buzzlightyear sorta had to happen I was part of it because i feared I be hanged without proper evidence. I am agressive because its fun to play that way and i dont have much better to do during the day. And orange I legitamitley believed wasn't a wolf and now everyone seems to act like it was obvious at the time that orange was a wolf and they didnt vote for him because they didnt want to die themselves. so go ahead and lynch me for not being part of the mobocracy.

I'm sorry chaosfaction, this is nothing personal

It's just that when you put the evidence against you and the evidence against Deviant up on the scales of justice, it's clear that greater suspicion lies with you than with them.

To summarize:

CHAOSFACTION
-Voted to kill a villager (the late buzzlightyear)
-Publicly defended a werewolf (the late Orange08)
-Has repeatedly started or attempted to start bandwagons against villagers with no evidence (likely a red herring to throw us off his trail)

DEVIANT
-Was online during the night cycle


The evidence is all there folks. Admittedly, it's shaky, but it's there, and it's all we've got. It's up to us, the villagers of New Prosperity, to make the call.

chaosfaction wrote:Gah! ill never live that down.

So you thought about it?
You thought about how suspect your actions were looking and how you would need to think of a way to "live them down" as you say?

Damn man, 4 posts in a row. Next time just EDIT the original post instead of filling up the page.


Regardless, my evidence against deviant is way more reliable than your evidence against chaosfaction. Chaosfaction's "suspicious" actions are easily explainable. He voted right when the round started because he was over-excited that the game started. He changed his vote because he fell for orange's ploy of the last minute "DON'T KILL ME I AM INNOCENT". In reality, I have no doubt in my mind that chaosfaction is a common villager, and lynching him would be a huge mistake.

On to deviant: Not only was she online during the night cycles without posting anything, but she, like chaosfaction, didn't vote for orange. She didn't vote for anyone for that matter. It's quite suspicious to know that someone is constantly active during night cycles, but refrains from posting during the day. You can believe me or not, but at the end of the day when deviant dies and most likely comes back wolf, you'll know my response.

EDIT: Also, chaosfaction meant he'll never live that down as in it was a mistake. As I said, he was too excited as he has never played before and made a newbie mistake, like I did in round one when I changed my vote like 5 times on Day 1, even though I was a villager.

I'm telling you guys - killing chaosfaction will be a huge mistake when we let a wolf go by unharmed.

I doubt it will have much effect, but you're right. I'll flip a random.org coin.
Heads: Deviant.
Tails: Chaosfaction.

...

That's tails. Still, although I don't have the vote numbers, I'm not sure if this will have any effect at all. So, Chaosfaction, I'll be voting for you.

Edit: Good lords, you all make too much sense! Reverting to Deviant. Going to go for the night now. Jehovas, werewolves and villagers, I won't be online more 'til tomorrow.

Aye i did. through calculated risk i surmized that orange might be a wolf but i doubted it and i thought of three reasons why i should go against the hanging.
1) I doubted orange was a wolf

2) and wouldnt it be better to be the one person who defended the poor lynched non-wolf thatn just being part of the mob?

3) orange was actually playing and contributing to the game unlike a third of the players at the beginning. atleast that was my thinking at the time.

Jman wrote:Damn man, 4 posts in a row. Next time just EDIT the original post instead of filling up the page.

I don't need to be lectured at about how to conduct my posts. Worry about your own posts, I'll worry about mine.

Jman wrote:EDIT: Also, chaosfaction meant he'll never live that down as in it was a mistake. As I said, he was too excited as he has never played before and made a newbie mistake, like I did in round one when I changed my vote like 5 times on Day 1, even though I was a villager.

Ok fine, maybe I am reading a bit too far into that, lol. Regardless, my evidence against chaosfaction still stands. Being a newbie doesn't exclude him from suspicion.

Jman wrote:In reality, I have no doubt in my mind that chaosfaction is a common villager, and lynching him would be a huge mistake.

Please do the rest of us villagers a favor and elaborate on why you are so certain as to chaosfaction's innocence.

Jman wrote:On to deviant: She, like chaosfaction, didn't vote for orange. She didn't vote for anyone for that matter.

You're right. She has't voted. In fact, she's only made one post on the entire forum. On 3/12/12 at 10:27pm to be exact.

deviant wrote:sorry for being on hiatus the past few days and i'll post during the next day cycle

That's it. A simple reference to the fact that she, like many others among us (myself included) were preoccupied with other matters during the beginning of the round. It's no real reason for suspecting Deviant over any other inactive player.

Jman wrote:It's quite suspicious to know that someone is constantly active during night cycles, but refrains from posting during the day.

Consistently active? How many times did you see her logged on at night? How do you know what she was doing? Is it too far detached from reason to assume that she maybe was simply reading through the forum in an attempt to catch up on what she missed? Or any other number of innocent, non-wolfish things that she could have been doing? How do you know chaosfaction never logged on at night? Were you constantly monitoring the forum for the entirety of the night cycle?

Look, I'm not gonna deny that being on the forum during the night cycle is a little bit suspicious. The thing is, chaosfaction's actions are far more than a "little bit suspicious". You want consistently active? How about voting to execute buzzlightyear, a villager, going out and defending Orange08, a werewolf, in addition to consistently leading unsubstantiated bandwagons against other villagers?

While I recognize the reasoning behind your suspicions against Deviant, and in fact even share some of the same suspicions, I implore you to look at this from an objective angle and simply see that the evidence against chaosfaction far outweights the evidence against deviant.

chaosfaction wrote:Aye i did. through calculated risk i surmized that orange might be a wolf but i doubted it and i thought of three reasons why i should go against the hanging. 1) I doubted orange was a wolf 2) and wouldnt it be better to be the one person who defended the poor lynched non-wolf thatn just being part of the mob? and 3) orange was actually playing and contributing to the game unlike a third of the players at the beginning. atleast that was my thinking at the time.

I understand. But the facts still stand, and they speak for themselves. You voted to kill a villager, and you defended a wolf.

Unfortunately, those two factors put you at greater suspicion that someone who was simply logged on during the night cycle and who hasn't posted much. I'm sorry, but this is the only fair way to go about this.

Actually, you are wrong. How was chaosfaction supposed to know buzzlightyear was a villager? How is it fair to accuse him just because he defended someone he didn't think was a wolf? It's not like he was the only one who did the same, otherwise there wouldn't have been a majority.

What happens if chaosfaction turns out to be a villager and you lynch him and we lynch deviant and she's a wolf? That puts the exact same evidence against chaosfaction against you (voting against a villager and defending a wolf). If you're truly a villager you'll spare chaosfaction, at least for now, and focus on a more shady target, like deviant.

I rest my case.

Jman wrote:Actually, you are wrong.

No need to be condescending Jman, we're all on the same team here.

Jman wrote:How was chaosfaction supposed to know buzzlightyear was a villager?

He could't have. But assuming he was a wolf, he would have little to lose if he successfully joined the bandwagon against buzzlightyear. If it turned out buzz was a wolf, he could claim to be on the villagers side. If it turned out buzz was a villager, he could feign ignorance and claim he was simply voting with the bandwagon (as is the case). Fairly simple wolfish strategy, it's been used before on previous rounds.

Jman wrote:How is it fair to accuse him just because he defended someone he didn't think was a wolf?

Well Jman, how is it fair to lynch a fellow villager for the clearly heinous crime </sarcasm> of posting only once and being online during the night cycle, as you wish to do with deviant?

Jman wrote:It's not like he was the only one who did the same, otherwise there wouldn't have been a majority.

True. Although you forget that he also went out on a limb and defended a werewolf, Orange08.

Jman wrote:What happens if chaosfaction turns out to be a villager and you lynch him and we lynch deviant and she's a wolf? That puts the exact same evidence against chaosfaction against you (voting against a villager and defending a wolf). If you're truly a villager you'll spare chaosfaction, at least for now, and focus on a more shady target, like deviant.

Are you threatening me with a bandwagon in the near future Jman? Regardless, if it turns out chaosfaction is a villager and deviant a wolf, theres nothing I can do but shrug my shoulders and say that despite the overwhelming evidence, I was wrong. I wouldn't expect any different from my fellow villages other than to be lynched. At least when I die and it turns out I wasn't a wolf, they would know that despite my incorrect sleuthing, my heart was in the right place.

But since we're venturing into the realm of hypothetical questions, I could ask you the very same question Jman. What if it turns out deviant is a villager, and chaosfaction a wolf? Then what? Your trust is eroded, because you defended a wolf and killed a villager. The village will turn against you, you'll be lynched, yada yada ya.

It's all hypotheitical, and a moot point.

What you're basically saying here is that if I were to defend a wolf and vote to kill a villager, the villagers should turn against me. But if chaosfaction does the exact same thing (which he did), it's unreasonable to suspect him.

Jman wrote:I rest my case.

You say you rest your case, but the fact of the matter is you have none. You keep calling Deviant a more shady target without providing any evidence other than "she doesn't post a lot and she was on the forums during the night cycle once". At this point I trust you as a fellow villager, and I feel like you have more legitimate reasons for being sure of chaosfaction's innocence and suspecting Deviant, but you're not telling us what those reasons are. I implore you with the utmost urgency to tell us if you have any more information regarding the allegiance of chaosfaction and deviant.

Calm children! Vote for who you want and we'll see whos left standing.

The problem is that we dont have any villagers to spare, and need to make sure we're going after wolves, not our own.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:
No need to be condescending Jman, we're all on the same team here.

I'm not being condescending, I'm just expressing my opinion that I think you're incorrect. I figure about as much about you being villager as well though.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:
He could't have. But assuming he was a wolf, he would have little to lose if he successfully joined the bandwagon against buzzlightyear. If it turned out buzz was a wolf, he could claim to be on the villagers side. If it turned out buzz was a villager, he could feign ignorance and claim he was simply voting with the bandwagon (as is the case). Fairly simple wolfish strategy, it's been used before on previous rounds.

It's also a fairly simple villager strategy, as illustrated by groupthink and the bandwagon effect. When someone isn't sure what to do, they usually just try to do whatever everyone else does to fit in. Again, common rookie mistake. Doesn't mean he's a wolf.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:
True. Although you forget that he also went out on a limb and defended a werewolf, Orange08.

He wasn't the only one to defend orange. Are they all wolves too? I highly doubt it.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:
Are you threatening me with a bandwagon in the near future Jman?

No, not at all.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:Regardless, if it turns out chaosfaction is a villager and deviant a wolf, theres nothing I can do but shrug my shoulders and say that despite the overwhelming evidence, I was wrong. I wouldn't expect any different from my fellow villages other than to be lynched. At least when I die and it turns out I wasn't a wolf, they would know that despite my incorrect sleuthing, my heart was in the right place.

The same goes for chaosfaction, if and when he comes back as a villager.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:But since we're venturing into the realm of hypothetical questions, I could ask you the very same question Jman. What if it turns out deviant is a villager, and chaosfaction a wolf? Then what? Your trust is eroded, because you defended a wolf and killed a villager. The village will turn against you, you'll be lynched, yada yada ya.

That's exactly my point. If deviant turns out to be a villager and chaosfaction a wolf, I'd be more than happy to be lynched the very next day - it wouldn't surprise me at all.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:What you're basically saying here is that if I were to defend a wolf and vote to kill a villager, the villagers should turn against me. But if chaosfaction does the exact same thing (which he did), it's unreasonable to suspect him.

No, that's not what I think. I'm saying based on your logic, the village should turn against you in those circumstances. I'm saying that it's unreasonable to suspect him, and it's unreasonable to suspect you because I can see both of you had good intentions.

AlphaDecay90 wrote:
You say you rest your case, but the fact of the matter is you have none. You keep calling Deviant a more shady target without providing any evidence other than "she doesn't post a lot and she was on the forums during the night cycle once". At this point I trust you as a fellow villager, and I feel like you have more legitimate reasons for being sure of chaosfaction's innocence and suspecting Deviant, but you're not telling us what those reasons are. I implore you with the utmost urgency to tell us if you have any more information regarding the allegiance of chaosfaction and deviant.

Let's just wait until 7:00 tonight and you'll see for yourself. We're on the same team, trust me bro.


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Man, quite a day today. I agree with you bobabow. I'm tired of bickering :<

honestly getting confused trying to read through this. LAWL
Choasfaction, im sorry, but you are my vote.

my goodness..pages and pages...

well, with 40 minutes left, time for me to make my vote based on what i've seen and read above.

Seems like the there's more evidence against chaosfaction?

sorry I just do not have time , feeding the kids dinner in a min- but can someone run an unofficial tally and i'll pop back at 6:55 and maybe revote LOL depending on how close it is.

there's nothing much besides speculation as evidence at this point. as a final plea ill say that the main diffrence between me and deviant. activity. even if deviants not a wolf whats the point of having a nonactive villager instead of a very active one? think on that. and quickly please

P.S. ill let the moderaters do the tally too many pages to go through

Deviant - 11
chaosfaction - 6
truecrypt32 - 1

Gracie' Senore.


No change for me.

Day 3 has ended.

The sun approached the horizon yet again. Tired, worn faces looked back nervously. Today had been a day of hard debate, and with the people seeming to turn direction last minute, things had gotten rather tense. However, there was no overriding the sheer numbers of people who voted against deviant earlier in the day, and this unlucky inhabitant was quickly secured and bound.

Deviant was led up to the now crimson red patch of sand. The mayor arrived to the scene last, silver pistol in hand. He glanced nervously at his watch. He also looked on the crowd with distress. Their numbers were thinning. He could see it.

Deviant was afforded any last words she might have to say. Instead she remained spitefully quiet. Refusing to make eye contact, she only attempted to wrestle free of her bounds whenever the pressure was let up. But she would be going nowhere tonight. Not with a whole town watching her.

The mayor leveled the pistol to her temple. In a bellowing voice, he said
"You are hereby charged with the heinous crime of lycanthropy, conspiracy to overturn this town, and the murder of two innocents. What say you in your defense?"
Deviant only turned her head. She would say nothing.

The mayor, displeased, cocked back the antique pistol and prepared to fire. He began to squeeze the trigger when
"-Wait. I would like to say something..
I would just like to let you all know how terribly screwed you all are. This town will be your grave. Let you all hear it now. New Prosperity will fall."
With these last words, the mayor fired the antique gun. Like in the case of orange, Deviant's body underwent a terrible transformation as she went down. The town was split between utmost terror and jubilation as her hair grew out and her body transformed into her more canine form. And, as in the case of Orange, after another minute, Deviant the Werewolf moved no more.

Night three now begins.
Y'all have 24 hours to send in your night votes. Get to it.

Yeyz, we need new people for le graveyard!