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Werewolf: Round 4

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deviant
AlphaDecay90
markmarkadam
RayofLight010
blah2355
wquist
Unknown3
Danger
WowzerAnne
PELIGRO
Bobabow
Sabb
orange08
jakobs98
Risque
Cosine
finkrocks44
thecat100
RedOctober
Slade
buzzlightyear
Ostentation
esque
chartreuse
Quantumvm
CaptainKraft
Zed Di Dragon
SirGuy
Jman
chaosfaction
truecrypt32
Snail
Sine
Providence
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226Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:56 pm

SirGuy


Narwhal

ThatSnail was a terrified man, because he knew the wolves would come for him that night. He had asked his neighbor, Orange08, the night before, to let Snail sleep with Orange, but Orange said no. Snail then realized the answer, when Orange was found to be a Werewolf.

ThatSnail tried to fight. He really did. When the Werewolves came, he attacked them with a 12 gauge shotgun. But his reloading time was too slow. Snail counted at least 5 outside his house, including one that looked like something straight out of a pit(reference to the bible, and the beast). ThatSnail pumped 2 shots into a werewolf looking like he had been hit with a kitchen knife. When ThatSnail saw the blood from the knife, he hesitated.

"These are people!" he thought to himself. "I cant kill these people!"

It was then, that Snail gave up. He put his gun down, and saw the end. A werewolf charged straight up to him and tore his arm off. Snail didnt scream. He just excepted his death. Before the night was over, Snail was gone. Nothing was left except his upper body for the police to find.

http://Arcoria.net

227Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:57 pm

SirGuy


Narwhal

Sorry for the late story. Was playing Frisbee! Very Happy

The reference was VERY hard to think about. It took an hour or 2 to just come up with that. D: If you all want, PM me, and I'll type up your death too. It's fun! xD

http://Arcoria.net

228Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:08 pm

CaptainKraft

CaptainKraft
Narwhal

I've already loudly stated my suspicions. I vote for chaosfaction

http://www.jdgamer.com

229Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:28 pm

blah2355


Goldfish

You will be missed ThatSnail Sad

I vote for deviant for said reasons above.

230Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:31 pm

Snail

Snail
Narwhal

SirGuy wrote:ThatSnail was a terrified man, because he knew the wolves would come for him that night. He had asked his neighbor, Orange08, the night before, to let Snail sleep with Orange, but Orange said no. Snail then realized the answer, when Orange was found to be a Werewolf.

ThatSnail tried to fight. He really did. When the Werewolves came, he attacked them with a 12 gauge shotgun. But his reloading time was too slow. Snail counted at least 5 outside his house, including one that looked like something straight out of a pit(reference to the bible, and the beast). ThatSnail pumped 2 shots into a werewolf looking like he had been hit with a kitchen knife. When ThatSnail saw the blood from the knife, he hesitated.

"These are people!" he thought to himself. "I cant kill these people!"

It was then, that Snail gave up. He put his gun down, and saw the end. A werewolf charged straight up to him and tore his arm off. Snail didnt scream. He just excepted his death. Before the night was over, Snail was gone. Nothing was left except his upper body for the police to find.
Maaan I'm such a badass :>

Cool story Sir.

http://thatsnail.blogspot.com/

231Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:57 pm

RayofLight010

RayofLight010
Narwhal

RIP snail.
Voting deviant for lack of other people to vote for.

232Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:12 pm

chartreuse


Goldfish

I vote for truecrypt32 like I did the first round

233Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:51 pm

CaptainKraft

CaptainKraft
Narwhal

Slade wrote:All good and noble villagers and dirty wolf spies.

I'm going to suggest an organizational plan of attack here against the werewolves.

Now, I'm sure everyone has thought of doing something like this before- but they always stop short because it would label them as target #1 for the wolves and the beast.

Well I think I have found a way around that- after all, my goal isn't to be alive at the end of the game, it's to have the villagers win.


We need a 'beast' type. Central P.O.C. for the Villagers. A leader. I am saying me because frankly, i'm the only person I can trust.

Here is what I am suggesting and then let me explain why and then we can either all agree or not and then just move along.

1. First and foremost, I am not calling the Banners to protect me- if they are doing their job right they should be protecting the scryers and themselves as our failsafe.

2. The main thing I am suggesting is that both scryers, assuming they are alive, get coordinated through the village leader through PMs- the leader, then having (at least a 75% knowledge of 2 targets) can make more informed suggestions to the masses, and we can quickly kill the wolves.

3. The next leader will be announced by me before I die because the scryers would have most suredly scryed some other normal villager by now. So no matter what happens, ONE of us will still be alive and the cycle can continue. While alive I pass on all knowledge who the scryers have pinned as a wolf or human to the other human on the list through PM.

This means we are always passing down knowledge and never losing it- the scryers will still be safe because it wont be revealed who they are except to the village leader- and as long as we kill 1 wolf every other day (given the chance we scry two humans now and again)- also the scryers will never "waste" scryes by hitting the same guy because the leader will tell them what's up.

There is the sure chance that a wolf will PM me saying he is a Scryer.. perhaps even the Devil or Beast will do this to try and strike a rouse.. That's fine, we just need to be smarter.


If you look at the numbers- we out numbered them at the start 4-1 .. but have since lost 3 and they have lost one- so we are still at about 4-1-

If we organize, and play smart, we can win- and damn fast too.. I full expect to die if not tonight then tomorrow night if we go with this plan. But of course.. it's the communities call.

If we agree, then I would ask the scryers to pass me all the info they have so far and I can just say "TARGET THAT GUY" and everyone vote for him.

This is a game of not trusting anyone.. and i'm asking you all to trust me.

Your move.

Now that I have enough time to properly digest and address this, I thought I'd express my agreement. The more we work together as villagers, the more wolves that will die. We are all defenseless at night unless we work together to mitigate our losses and maximize their loss.

As a member of the community, I vote we try to pull together and save the innocent villagers.

All others in favor, say I (or is it aye?)

http://www.jdgamer.com

234Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:16 am

WowzerAnne

WowzerAnne
Narwhal

CaptainKraft wrote:
Slade wrote:All good and noble villagers and dirty wolf spies.

I'm going to suggest an organizational plan of attack here against the werewolves.

Now, I'm sure everyone has thought of doing something like this before- but they always stop short because it would label them as target #1 for the wolves and the beast.

Well I think I have found a way around that- after all, my goal isn't to be alive at the end of the game, it's to have the villagers win.


We need a 'beast' type. Central P.O.C. for the Villagers. A leader. I am saying me because frankly, i'm the only person I can trust.

Here is what I am suggesting and then let me explain why and then we can either all agree or not and then just move along.

1. First and foremost, I am not calling the Banners to protect me- if they are doing their job right they should be protecting the scryers and themselves as our failsafe.

2. The main thing I am suggesting is that both scryers, assuming they are alive, get coordinated through the village leader through PMs- the leader, then having (at least a 75% knowledge of 2 targets) can make more informed suggestions to the masses, and we can quickly kill the wolves.

3. The next leader will be announced by me before I die because the scryers would have most suredly scryed some other normal villager by now. So no matter what happens, ONE of us will still be alive and the cycle can continue. While alive I pass on all knowledge who the scryers have pinned as a wolf or human to the other human on the list through PM.

This means we are always passing down knowledge and never losing it- the scryers will still be safe because it wont be revealed who they are except to the village leader- and as long as we kill 1 wolf every other day (given the chance we scry two humans now and again)- also the scryers will never "waste" scryes by hitting the same guy because the leader will tell them what's up.

There is the sure chance that a wolf will PM me saying he is a Scryer.. perhaps even the Devil or Beast will do this to try and strike a rouse.. That's fine, we just need to be smarter.


If you look at the numbers- we out numbered them at the start 4-1 .. but have since lost 3 and they have lost one- so we are still at about 4-1-

If we organize, and play smart, we can win- and damn fast too.. I full expect to die if not tonight then tomorrow night if we go with this plan. But of course.. it's the communities call.

If we agree, then I would ask the scryers to pass me all the info they have so far and I can just say "TARGET THAT GUY" and everyone vote for him.

This is a game of not trusting anyone.. and i'm asking you all to trust me.

Your move.

Now that I have enough time to properly digest and address this, I thought I'd express my agreement. The more we work together as villagers, the more wolves that will die. We are all defenseless at night unless we work together to mitigate our losses and maximize their loss.

As a member of the community, I vote we try to pull together and save the innocent villagers.

All others in favor, say I (or is it aye?)

AYE!

235Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:23 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

Neigh. I agree that us villagers need to step it up, but this is definitely not the way to go about it.

First of all, I don't see why scries would risk their identities. Second, why would Slade be the designated figurehead? Third, If the scries had targets, they'd express it themselves or choose someone to express it for them instead of telling some "figurehead". Fourth, It's not hard to fake being a scry and if a wolf fakes it because what happens when a wolf fakes it and then makes another wolf the next leader? Answer: Complete devastation, the end of the villagers.

236Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:52 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

Jman wrote:Neigh. I agree that us villagers need to step it up, but this is definitely not the way to go about it.

First of all, I don't see why scries would risk their identities. Second, why would Slade be the designated figurehead? Third, If the scries had targets, they'd express it themselves or choose someone to express it for them instead of telling some "figurehead". Fourth, It's not hard to fake being a scry and if a wolf fakes it because what happens when a wolf fakes it and then makes another wolf the next leader? Answer: Complete devastation, the end of the villagers.


Wow there's a surprise, jman trying to cause confusion and dissent again.

I already listed all the answers to your questions.

1. Scries would 'risk' their identities to one person so they can coordinate and actually put a stronger voice to their scries. As is, when they scrie, they just post "i have a hunch it's this guy". This way, if they see someone is a wolf, it can be passed on and the community can actually take action on that instead of shots in the dark. Also this way they dont waste cycles by scrieing the same person on accident.
2. Why me. For no better reason than I came up with the idea. We could go back and forth for days on why you should be more trusted as a human than I, or why this guy or that guy should but it'll get us nowhere because in the end the community would need to put their trust in one person blindly. I'm just saying might as well act faster and do it, and i even listed what happens if I am wolf compared to if I am not and you ignoring that only strengthens my convictions against your intentions.
3. The scries telling someone else would be just as meaningless because that person wouldn't go "A SCRIE TOLD ME THAT!" because they would be a target, or ignored. This way we as a group can focus fire, which is how you become efficient.
4. As I said, I EXPECT a wolf to claim to be a scrie. Cool. Bring it. There's an easy way to test the scries and it only takes one cycle- a wolf would need to be ballsy as hell to reveal himself that way, or a complete moron.

All of this I said before- but i'm saying again because for some reason you feel you have unique points.

I specifically said this is a game where you cant trust people, but I was asking you all to trust me and then we could win.

Show of trust? Sure. I vote Deviant . But to be clear- you being right about him proves you're a villager no more than you being wrong proves you're a puppy.

Edit: spelling



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237Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:14 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

Meanwhile, in a game where you can't trust people how can you expect people to trust you if you can't even trust others yourself.

You really seem set on thinking I'm sort of scheming, foul creature set out to cause utter chaos among the villagers. If it will really float your boat, go ahead and lynch me just so I can prove my point. This is a game where the only way to prove your innocence is by being killed off by wolves, or in most cases by the foolish actions of your allies.


EDIT: In addition, I also would love to better organize the villagers. However, Providence, Snail, and I think this is not the way to go about it. After all Slade, if you're a common villager as you claim to be, it's not your trust that I'm after.

238Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:21 am

Sine


Goldfish

deviant sounds like our only lead. i like slades idea too Smile

239Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:23 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

/head-desk
bounce


that's why i said it's going out of your way to trust- because that's not done in this game normally.

Ok jman.. you made your point. You vote no and you stated your reasons. I responded to those. Your circular logic is about as informing as it is unintuitive, but I appreciate your opinion.

3 others have spoken in favor of my idea, so we stand 4-1 but I wouldn't want to go through with it unless there is a very large showing of acceptance, and as of now there isn't

Others or do we drop this?



240Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:37 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

2 others, including the host of this game and the owner of this forums, have stated to me that they don't think this system can work. Not sure if their vote counts since one isn't actually playing and one is already dead, but if their votes do it's 4-3. As I said to Providence and Snail, the system proposed by you would work perfectly, in a utopian/ideal world. It's not the idea that I'm against, it's the feasibility of the system actually coming to fruition. If it works out and we actually kill the wolves in such a manner, I'll be very shocked.


Also, I understand that it's going out of people's way to trust. That wasn't my point. My point was that if you personally cannot go out of your way to trust others, how can you expect others to go out of their way to trust you.


EDIT: Actually, if anything IS proving to be counter-intuitive, it's our back-and-forth arguing, so let's just end it here and leave it to the rest of the players to decide.

241Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:51 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

If everyone wanted to select another person to trust of course I would- i'm looking at the practicality of that happening though.

If everyone says "No, we trust PAUL or STEVE" then fine, let's do it and I would trust that person as well.. let's go, all in- play big or go home.

The systems needs a focal point though and not a lengthy process where we figure out the one person to trust because that would take days and every day we will lose more people.

If I absolutely knew someone else were a normal villager, I would suggest them- it's not about me.
I just know I am a regular villager and I came up with the plan an I fully suspect I will be dead in 1-2 night cycles.

I don't want me to live. I want the village team to win. That's the point. I'm so sure my system will work, I'd even suggest us starting it, then all of you lynch ME, after I start the process. You will see I am a human and then just continue the work I did. Do the math and there is no way the wolves can kill us faster than we can eliminate them if our scries worked together and were actually 100% listened to when they spot a wolf instead of potentially ignored and not having any focus. They are our best weapon, we need to USE them.

242Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:57 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

How about this: Scries - if you have been scrying people during the past 2 night cycles you should know proven innocents by now, and you can ask one of them to be your figurehead. That seems the most fair to me.

243Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:08 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

So a random person can just step forward and say "Yup, a scrie contacted me and said I'm a human"??

Are you serious with this line of thinking?

The scries probably don't know who each other are and will therefore select different people - and also then any wolf can contact any one and say "i'm the scrie" - and it wont be focused on one person who can then filter because potentially 5 people will be contacted and it'd be a cluster fug.

There is no way you could seriously think that's a good idea.

244Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:11 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

I didn't mean that someone would just say "Yup, a scrie contacted me and said I'm a human".

I am talking about the scries privately contacting those that they scried, and linking the people they've scried together; thus creating a massive network of villagers.

245Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:18 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

Jman wrote:2 others, including the host of this game and the owner of this forums, have stated to me that they don't think this system can work. Not sure if their vote counts since one isn't actually playing and one is already dead, but if their votes do it's 4-3. As I said to Providence and Snail....

I'm still flabbergasted that you tried to use the logic of, "I discussed this with people who can not voice opinion here and they back me"

I could just as easily say I discussed it with them and they agreed with me. But they can not post here to influence decisions so your claim to their backing is meaningless.

Actually.. I would most certainly say that you did not get providence to agree with you because Providence would know that would be influencing how you played the game and that is strictly forbidden as the host.

Which leaves me one of two conclusions.

Providence broke the rules of his game

or

Lynch JMAN

boom.


All. As reason above. JMAN is either a wolf, or Providence overstepped his bounds as host, or JMAN is the stupidest villager ever for lying about Providence overstepping his bounds.

J- only way to save yourself is to say that you lied about Providence agreeing with you- otherwise, there are only two options there.

edit: added original quote from JMAN on top.



Last edited by Slade on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:30 pm; edited 1 time in total

246Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:41 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

I wasn't lying, and Providence didn't overstep his boundaries. We were simply discussing the idea of a system such as the one you proposed and that it can't work. I only used them as an example to show that I'm not the only one who thinks the system is broken.

You know your problem Slade? You're way too over-analytic and egotistic when it comes to your system. You pretty much have the mindset of the childish "My way or the high way". Just because I think your system is flawed and cannot work doesn't mean I'm counter-intuitive and not also a villager trying to reach the same goal.

I don't think you should try to turn this thread into a "Let's attack Jman" thread, because in reality - when you end up getting me lynched and everyone sees I'm a villager, you will most likely be next. When everyone ends up lynching you and seeing you're a villager, there will be mass confusion.

I'm not sure if you've read over round 2 at all, but I'll sum up my point. Snail and Zed Di Dragon were both baners, and they killed each other off simply because of a misunderstanding. We can't afford to lose people over simple misunderstandings. In round 2, the villagers happened to win due to Zed's immaculate deduction as to the identities of the remaining wolves. Meanwhile, dead people can not influence votes now. If we both die, everything both of us stand for will die in vain.

As a wise man once said:
Slade wrote:This is a game of not trusting anyone.. and i'm asking you all to trust me.

Your move.

If after everything I've said, you still want to kill me, just go ahead so I can facepalm when my body is discovered to be innocent.

247Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:05 am

Slade

Slade
Narwhal

Specifically didn't want to kill you and pointed out many times I wasnt passing judgement on you until you KEPT pushing back with illogical responses and then the recent trap you backed yourself into.

And yes, it is over stepping his bounds. If he said "Yes that would work" you would probably have done it and the game would change.
If he said "No it wouldnt work" you then, as you claim, are more wanting to not do it. A Narrator can not do that. They are to be impartial. If he posted on the forums that my plan wouldnt work, that is not impartial, it is helping one side, so he also can not talk like that in PMs.
As I have ZERO reason to believe that Providence would do that, since he should know better- the only thing left is you are lying.

Lying either for the sake of lying because you're so insistent on your point- or lying because you're actually a wolf.

It's like if I said "I am a wolf". I could be a stupid villager and going to get lynched because I lied.. or I'm a stupid wolf going to get lynched.

248Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:17 am

Jman

Jman
Narwhal

First of all, you only think my responses are illogical because you're so set in stone with your damn system. And no, he is not stepping over his bounds. He didn't try to influence my opinion, but instead asked me how I feel about your system. After I expressed my concern for the immense risk of using your system, he simply agreed with me and said how apocalyptic it could be for the villagers.

Lastly, you really are in no position to say that I am being so insistent on my point. If you would stop being so intransigent and just agree to compromise with me, or at least agree to disagree, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

When either of us dies and comes back as a villager the other will die too. Hence, the reason I am not stooping to your level and voting for you just because you voted for me. In fact, I actually invited, and continue to invite you, to lynch me so I can rub it in your stubborn face.

249Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:39 am

CaptainKraft

CaptainKraft
Narwhal

You guys are funny...

Clearly neither of you are getting anywhere. Not enough of the community is voicing their opinion, so nothing is going to happen other than incriminating yourselves (falsely or not).

Let's just see if anyone else votes yes or no... if not, we can't do anything about it.

P.S. I still maintain Chaosfaction is a wolf, let's lynch him

http://www.jdgamer.com

250Werewolf: Round 4 - Page 10 Empty Re: Werewolf: Round 4 Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:42 am

SirGuy


Narwhal

Jman wrote:Hence, the reason I am not stooping to your level

Woah. This game is getting intense. Well, anyone who wants to die can gladly come play in my graveyard... Rolling Eyes

http://Arcoria.net

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