Werewolf: Round 4

Risque wrote:Fair point, Alpha, but that doesn't rule him out completely.

You know, I was debating whether to remove you and PELIGRO from the list, but since I killed Danger I thought you two were innocent.

Don't try pulling the same thing orange did now

Just because I was out of town doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention. I was simply making an observation.

Im sorry but isnt the ONLY logical choice now to kill JMAN??

Think about it guys.

If the two scrys are dead... We have NO WAY to find wolves besides blind voting.

So now the are 5 of them and they know who eachother are and they wont vote eachother and can protect eachother and can kill all of us unless we randomly pick one.

Would a smart wolf sacrifice 3 wolves?? Absolutely.
Timeline.
He knew one wolf so sacrificed him.
He was then able to get in contact with either one scry or both.
He earned the trust of the scrys- to have them reveal themselves to him.
Very easy way to kill two scrys is to make them think you're the good guy.

Chances are he knows a baner and they're on the chopping block next.
I must make this clear-
JMAN was the only person to know who the scrys were unless the DEVIL LUCKY AS HELL saw both of them, which defies all odds. Or if they just randomly picked villagers and they were scrys.. Which is just as unlikely.
So. If im right, we kill a wolf.

What if im wrong? The "human" JMAN is the same as any other human now since the way he killed the wolves was through his "birdies". They are now gone, so there is no way for him to magically call wolves again.

So it would be a mistake, but not a HUGE one.

Currently, there is no reason to suspect ANYONE else. All we EVER went on were baseless claims aside from scry talk.. And now there are no scrys.

A wolf would not be stupid to sacrifice the other wolves. He would be smart, its how you earn trust in this game.

Once again. I'm voting JMAN. If im wrong, it means nothing, if im right. They're proper fugged. (to include alpha who so quickly jumped to his side)

edit: Changed vote, reflected in later post.

Hey guys, I'm back. Since I can't play this round, can someone make it so I can at least get into the graveyard until the next? Thanks.

Vapid Seraphim wrote:Hey guys, I'm back. Since I can't play this round, can someone make it so I can at least get into the graveyard until the next? Thanks.

Killed by request, you suicidal psychopath.

I too vote Jman for reasons I do not feel like explaining

blah2355 wrote:I too vote Jman for reasons I do not feel like explaining

Well.. Is it more because you agree with me or more because you're a wolf and you know he isnt?

Slade wrote:Im sorry but isnt the ONLY logical choice now to kill JMAN??

Think about it guys.

If the two scrys are dead... We have NO WAY to find wolves besides blind voting.

So now the are 5 of them and they know who eachother are and they wont vote eachother and can protect eachother and can kill all of us unless we randomly pick one.

Would a smart wolf sacrifice 3 wolves?? Absolutely.
Timeline.
He knew one wolf so sacrificed him.
He was then able to get in contact with either one scry or both.
He earned the trust of the scrys- to have them reveal themselves to him.
Very easy way to kill two scrys is to make them think you're the good guy.

Chances are he knows a baner and they're on the chopping block next.
I must make this clear-
JMAN was the only person to know who the scrys were unless the DEVIL LUCKY AS HELL saw both of them, which defies all odds. Or if they just randomly picked villagers and they were scrys.. Which is just as unlikely.
So. If im right, we kill a wolf.

What if im wrong? The "human" JMAN is the same as any other human now since the way he killed the wolves was through his "birdies". They are now gone, so there is no way for him to magically call wolves again.

So it would be a mistake, but not a HUGE one.

Currently, there is no reason to suspect ANYONE else. All we EVER went on were baseless claims aside from scry talk.. And now there are no scrys.

A wolf would not be stupid to sacrifice the other wolves. He would be smart, its how you earn trust in this game.

Once again. I'm voting JMAN. If im wrong, it means nothing, if im right. They're proper fugged. (to include alpha who so quickly jumped to his side)

you actually make a very convincing argument but I say we wait until the next day cycle because as Jman said the baner's are no longer protecting him and hell end up dead. if he doesn't die then that means hes probably a wolf.

Slade wrote:

blah2355 wrote:I too vote Jman for reasons I do not feel like explaining

Well.. Is it more because you agree with me or more because you're a wolf and you know he isnt?

Some I agree with you, some I have my own speculation.

hm... Slade is actually making sense
but then again, jman got lots of wolves...
darn decisions decisions

Im not against changing my vote chaos. I just need a better reason to. Tell me How the scrys identity could have gotten out this early unless they were both retarded and told multiple people who they were unless JMAN did it?

Tell me who else is a convincing person to vote for that isnt a COMPLETE shot in the dark?

NOT THE WAREWOLF wrote:hm... Slade is actually making sense
but then again, jman got lots of wolves...
darn decisions decisions

Is it that rare? LOL

Well, if jman was a wolf, the next ones to die would logically be the baners. Now, just by me saying that they may consider leaving off killing the baners that they know a night or two in order to avoid any suspicion towards jman, but if theyre smart, they will just kill off the baners right away. Either way, jman has attracted far too much attention and will innevitably die in the next couple nights if the baners do indeed move their services elsewhere. So we will know his identity soon enough, if not too late.

NOW, as of the next suspect, i think captainkraft is the most suspicious. When jman first informed us of his "little birdy", who is undoubtedly dead now, kraft accused him of being a wolf or a scry. Suggesting that jman is a scry cant benefit any villager, but it can draw the attention of EVERY other wolf to jman.

So until some other decent evidence arises, i vote to lynch CaptainKraft

blah2355 wrote:I too vote Jman for reasons I do not feel like explaining

Reasons you don't feel like explaining? Or just because you're following a bandwagon?

Slade wrote:Is it that rare? LOL

ololololol. of course, it's just that you're making a particularly great deal of sense this time
i'm leaning more towards your side though for sure. it's best for the reputation of us villagers anyways

chaosfaction wrote:I say we wait until the next day cycle because as Jman said the baner's are no longer protecting him and hell end up dead. if he doesn't die then that means hes probably a wolf.

you see, the wolves now know about this plan, rendering it useless

Bobabow wrote:Well, if jman was a wolf, the next ones to die would logically be the baners. Now, just by me saying that they may consider leaving off killing the baners that they know a night or two in order to avoid any suspicion towards jman, but if theyre smart, they will just kill off the baners right away. Either way, jman has attracted far too much attention and will innevitably die in the next couple nights if the baners do indeed move their services elsewhere. So we will know his identity soon enough, if not too late.

same, now the wolves can thwart this reasoning as they wish

Please, I invite you to kill me. In fact, I'm in contact with both baners. However, whether you want to kill me or not is up to you, but I can assure you will probably regret it.

Might as well try to defend myself though:

First and foremost, I killed 3 wolves. Now that wquist is dead I can openly say this because the wolves already got him. I honestly had no idea wquist or cosine were scries until I started the bandwagon against him in which he contacted me informing me that he was indeed the scry and that Danger was scried twice to come back wolf, which is why I so urgently changed my vote that day. Orange08 and deviant were killed without any contact with special roles. I honestly feel I have useful information and I can really still help the villagers. I already told both of the baners to pick one of themselves to bane so they don't die because in all honesty at this point they should've baned wquist instead of me.

Anyway, I feel I've made my fair amount of contributions for you villagers and if my help is no longer required go ahead and remove me as a threat. I still die a martyr for the villagers in my book

You really want to waste a lynch on jman? Do you really think he is a wolf?

Heres on obvious piece of evidence for you: the night when jman called for the baners to protect him, no one died. Assuming the baners actually protected jman, then he CAN NOT be a wolf if the wolves almost killed him. The only other explanation is that EVERY wolf voted for jman without knowledge that he was a wolf, only then to find out when theyre request to kill at night didnt go through.

Dont WASTE your lynch vote on jman. He's not a wolf.

You know what? I renounce my vote on Jman. I won't vote though. I'm very suspicious of Jman or Slade. If Jman doesn't die at night, then you know where I'll be.

I have NOT voted yet!

Jman wrote:It's my fault your scries died.

wut

Baners only work if there is a slim majority of wolves who voted for that particular person. According to the rules, a large majority of wolf votes can override baners' votes. Keeping that in mind, how did the baners save jman if we assume that almost every wolf voted for him? If the scries checked before trusting jman, it could be possible that he is one of the special roles that come out as normal villager no matter what. Because of this, I vote for Jman. If I'm wrong, then sorry.

Im going to bed soon... But think of this

JMAN said he fully expected to die tomorrow so he gave us ALL his info.

So if he's not lying, and we kill him and hes a villager.. We still have all his knowledge, and all the knowledge he could get becuase there are no more scrys,

If he is lying, we kill a wolf.

The "evidence" against kraft is suspect because of who it comes from.

ESPECIALLY since JMAN told us the scrys didnt know if they were weak or strong scrys.. But suddenly he has those magical numbers in his report on who was 50% and who 75% etc.

If he were truly trying to help, he would have divuldged that info.
It seems more likely he was either covering that up, or is flat lying in his report.

There is just too much behind JMAN that doesnt make sense.


also.. baners protecting jman dont matter if wolves hit him.. And its not ALL. He just needed a majority, so if lets say, beast and one other voted thats it.. Thats all he needed.

And JMAN, i understand your arguement of "go ahead and kill me, youll regret it"... Every wolf and every villager says the same exact thing.

Going to bed. Night all.

See ya all in the morning.

chartreuse wrote:Baners only work if there is a slim majority of wolves who voted for that particular person. According to the rules, a large majority of wolf votes can override baners' votes. Keeping that in mind, how did the baners save jman if we assume that almost every wolf voted for him? If the scries checked before trusting jman, it could be possible that he is one of the special roles that come out as normal villager no matter what. Because of this, I vote for Jman. If I'm wrong, then sorry.

By the night in question only 6 wolf votes remain, including the beast's 2 and the 4 wolf single votes. A baner can defend up to 3 wolf votes in a night. By this night, the wolves must have been networked enough not to be entirely split so that only 2 or 3 wolves voted against jman. That means that at least a majority of the wolves voted to attack jman (4 or more), and the both baners successfully protected him with a total defending power of SIX votes, the maximum voting power of the wolves that night. The fact that no one died means that jman IS a villager.

Please reconsider.

Slade wrote:Im going to bed soon... But think of this

JMAN said he fully expected to die tomorrow so he gave us ALL his info.

So if he's not lying, and we kill him and hes a villager.. We still have all his knowledge, and all the knowledge he could get becuase there are no more scrys,

If he is lying, we kill a wolf.

The "evidence" against kraft is suspect because of who it comes from.

ESPECIALLY since JMAN told us the scrys didnt know if they were weak or strong scrys.. But suddenly he has those magical numbers in his report on who was 50% and who 75% etc.

If he were truly trying to help, he would have divuldged that info.
It seems more likely he was either covering that up, or is flat lying in his report.

There is just too much behind JMAN that doesnt make sense.


also.. baners protecting jman dont matter if wolves hit him.. And its not ALL. He just needed a majority, so if lets say, beast and one other voted thats it.. Thats all he needed.

And JMAN, i understand your arguement of "go ahead and kill me, youll regret it"... Every wolf and every villager says the same exact thing.

Going to bed. Night all.

See ya all in the morning.

Again a point well made. And seeing that nobody is going to wait till the next day cycle ill just do it now. my vote is for Jman

You're all clearly oblivious to what's right in front of you just because somehow Slade is now an all-trusted diety. He's been myopic this entire game and has called me a wolf since day one. I think it's ironic how all of you are so quick to turn on me because you little baby men are scared of looking suspicious so you think you need to join big daddy Slade's bandwagon.

In addition, to your outlandish claim that me knowing the percentage makes me a wolf, it's really not hard to tell which scry was which just based on the results. Cosine was ultimately very accurate with his scries, while wquist's first scry is wrong about half/50% of the time. Thus, since I've picked out which scry is which you can then determine the accuracy of each result they got based on that.

My baners don't want me to invite you all to kill me, so I revoke my party invitation . Instead, I'll continue to defend myself throughout the day and what I will do is cast my very possibly final vote of this round for RayOfLight010.

It's amazing how mob psychology literally either works directly with or against you, and there's no middle ground. We'll see who is truly loyal to the villager's cause at the end of the day. Please note who votes for me and if they're using this bandwagon against me as cover to help take me out.



VILLAGERS, I AM DISSAPOINT.

Slade wrote:

So if he's not lying, and we kill him and hes a villager.. We still have all his knowledge

Youre justifying killing a villager by claiming that he has helped us as much as he can. He is a valuable figurehead that can lead accusation without fear of immediately being killed by the wolves. Why is it that as soon as a single one of the accusations that he promoted, one that might not have even originally come from him, was incorrect, everyone turns on him? Even with both scrys, he couldnt have been 100% certain.

Slade wrote:

The "evidence" against kraft is suspect because of who it comes from.

It was ME that started accusations against Kraft, and i have presented all evidence EXCEPT a single scry that is useless alone anyways. We dont need a scry to tell us when someone is suspicious.

Slade wrote:

also.. baners protecting jman dont matter if wolves hit him.. And its not ALL. He just needed a majority, so if lets say, beast and one other voted thats it.. Thats all he needed.

I already explained the circumstances in detail above, but the point is that the baners protected jman, and no one died, so that means the wolves attacked jman. WHICH MEANS HES NOT A WOLF.

Even though somethings jman has said are suspicioius, he is NOT a wolf. dont waste todays vote!